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This looks very good. Only comment would be that our standard of practice when assembling a built-up header is to make the faces of the vertical members (2x6, 2x8, 2x10 etc) flush with each edge of the plate that is nailed to top and bottom. Having the faces flush with each face of the top and bottom plates helps with backing above the window and eliminates the void behind the sheetrock above the windows and doors.

And generally we put 2 vertical members in a built-up header for 2x4 wall, and 3 vertical members for a 2x6 wall. This is not actually needed unless the opening for the header is a wide one (garage headers up to 10’, wider windows for example, but is our preferred method so we do it for all built-up headers..

These may be just local preferences, but, wanted to pass this along.

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Personally I like the Built-Up Header option.

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Maybe just call it a “Built-up Header”?

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I just built a house and this was the typical detail for the headers. Since headers out here in the South are not typically framed with solid members anymore, this is a typical detail. 2 or 3 @ 2x10 or 2x12’s with 2x4 or 2x6 nailed top and bottom to make the whole assembly flush with the framing front and back.

As far as the peaked windows in the gable ends are concerned, because the rafters are typically carrying the load we just frame the top of the sloped windows with stacked up 2xs, or, if the gap from the top of the window to the bottom of the rafter is big enough, then we would do double 2x header and cripple studs to the wall plate below the rafters.

Hope this helps.

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Hello Nathan.

I guess I always seem to be the one reporting strange behaviors, but here is another:

I created to pre-sets - 1 for exterior walls with wall cladding, sheathing, wall height, insulation, etc. and 1 for interior walls with SR both sides, no sheathing, no insulation, no trim, etc. I did this because the global setting do not seem to apply to the walls I draw unless I load a preset. Anyhow - when I am draw an exterior wall, it seems to be correct according to my settings. But - when I want to draw an interior wall, I start the plug-in, click on Load, load my interior wall preset, and then start to draw the walls. What I get is the same exterior walls. I have to draw the wall and cancel the plug-in. Then select the wall, load the interior wall preset, hit update, and the wall then conforms to the new preset.

So - long story short, loading a preset before drawing a wall does not seem to work. Be interested to hear what you think.

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Good morning.
Using Wall this morning everything went fine until I tried in insert window. Code from the console below. I did notice that when accessing the Advanced Options for the windows, that there are a lot of zeros in the fields, so, no defaults from the Global Settings.
Let me know if you need anything else.

Error: #<ArgumentError: Duplicate points in array>
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `add_face'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `four_point_polygon_trim'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1084:in `draw_window_trim_geometry'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:1678:in `draw_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2686:in `block in draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `each'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2111:in `draw_selector'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1921:in `main_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:196:in `rect_wall_newopening_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:827:in `main_menu_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2498:in `calculate_obj'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2292:in `onLButtonDown'
Error: #<ArgumentError: Duplicate points in array>
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `add_face'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `four_point_polygon_trim'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1084:in `draw_window_trim_geometry'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:1678:in `draw_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2686:in `block in draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `each'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2111:in `draw_selector'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1921:in `main_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:196:in `rect_wall_newopening_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:827:in `main_menu_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2498:in `calculate_obj'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2292:in `onLButtonDown'
Error: #<SystemExit: exit>
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:740:in `exit'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:740:in `get_window_trim_options'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:391:in `window_family_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_load.rbs:196:in `block in <module:MedeekWallPluginModuleLoader>'
SketchUp:1:in `call'
Error: #<ArgumentError: Duplicate points in array>
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `add_face'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `four_point_polygon_trim'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1084:in `draw_window_trim_geometry'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:1678:in `draw_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2686:in `block in draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `each'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2111:in `draw_selector'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1921:in `main_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:196:in `rect_wall_newopening_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:827:in `main_menu_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2498:in `calculate_obj'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2292:in `onLButtonDown'
Error: #<ArgumentError: Duplicate points in array>
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `add_face'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1229:in `four_point_polygon_trim'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_advoptions_wall.rbs:1084:in `draw_window_trim_geometry'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:1678:in `draw_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2686:in `block in draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `each'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2679:in `draw_rect_wall'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2111:in `draw_selector'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1921:in `main_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:196:in `rect_wall_newopening_menu'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:827:in `main_menu_window'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2498:in `calculate_obj'
c:/users/mqbee/appdata/roaming/sketchup/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_window_wall.rbs:2292:in `onLButtonDown'

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I think that the functionality of this plug-in is much greater than I was thinking it would be when I first experienced your plug-ins. I think you are correct in that you should charge more given the effort you have/are putting in. I think in some respects that you are a victim of your own drive for perfection, but I think that is fine and a great driver to keep this plug-in moving forward.

Given what it does, it is certainly worth a higher price. And I would not totally discount the subscription based model. Gary Kernan, the author of the GKWare cabinet plug-in is on that model and I have no issue with paying his subscription fee. I also think we all get spoiled by the amount of “free” plugins out there, but almost all of those have issues and limits on functionality that make them pretty frustrating to use. We should be willing to pay for the expertise that it takes to produce what you do. That is the primary reason that I was happy and eager to support you in your kickstarter project. Your generosity in granting extended licenses to the supporters of that initiative is appreciated.

Have you considered the Sketchup Bootcamp events to go and expose your plug-in to more users? I have never been, but I know that a lot of the Sketchup experts and other guys that produce work in support of Sketchup are there doing presentations, etc.

Onwards and upwards.

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Hey Nathan.
Wondering if you will posting an update to the plug-in now that you have the Trim Tab of the Global Settings modified a bit?

Thanks.

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Thanks. You are staying pretty busy. I hope you took some time off on this holiday.
Cheers!

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Thanks Nathan.
One other little thing occurred to me - I would find it helpful if there were more informative pop-up tool tips for all the various buttons for launching modules of the plug-in. I have not yet really gotten straight what all the buttons are for. Just something that I think would help user functionality. Not the end of the world, but would be a nice to have.

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Good news. I have tried all my previous actions and everything I have tried seems to work just fine. Wall Edit Menu updates are being applied as expected with no weird behaviors. New walls and additional walls added on to existing walls appear to work fine. I obviously have not tried all iterations, but so far looks good.

I do have a couple of observations/suggestions:

1. There does not appear to be a Global Setting for Wainscot Cut, so that has to be set every time in the Edit Wall function. A global setting for this would be welcome.
2. If you could allow/configure the Edit Wall function to be sequentially applied without having to close, reselect, and reopen the Edit Wall Menu again that would be very, very helpful and very good functionality. Maybe a button or something to update the selection?

Anyhow, I really appreciate all your work on this.

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So - I went to create a new wall, fresh project, with Advanced Options turned on. Made sure that my Global settings were good first, then selected the wall tool, drew my first wall, everything looked good - siding, trim, etc. - tried to continue to draw a second wall from the end of the first wall, but the cursor is stuck on the beginning of the first wall and every subsequent click places a wall in the same space as the first wall.

When I check the License tab in Global Settings, the version is reported as 0.8.3 without the b minor revision.

Code from the creation of the 1st and 2nd attempt:
Error: #<TypeError: no implicit conversion to float from nil>
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_exttrim.rbs:1580:in `pushpull'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_exttrim.rbs:1580:in `draw_trim_geometry'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2107:in `draw_selector'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1907:in `main_menu'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5358:in `calculate_obj'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5377:in `update_state'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5403:in `onLButtonDown'
Error: #<TypeError: no implicit conversion to float from nil>
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_exttrim.rbs:1580:in `pushpull'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_exttrim.rbs:1580:in `draw_trim_geometry'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:2107:in `draw_selector'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1907:in `main_menu'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5358:in `calculate_obj'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5377:in `update_state'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5403:in `onLButtonDown'

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Good morning Nathan.
You got this update out pretty quickly, but there is still something not right. Sorry. Here is what I am seeing:

Open global settings, Turn on Advanced Wall Options, Save - Close.
Draw Basic Framed Wall (Turn off Advanced for this step), draw series of 3 walls at random. (See attached). Space bar out of the plugin.
Select first wall drawn - open Edit Wall Menu, Turn on Advanced, check that settings are correct, click on update, first wall is updated just fine.
Close Wall Edit Menu, Select 2nd Wall, reopen Edit Wall Menu, make sure Advanced is turned on, check settings, click update, the update is applied right over the top of the first wall drawn while the 2nd wall is selected.

Here is the Ruby Console code:
Error: #<TypeError: no implicit conversion to float from nil>
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_exttrim.rbs:1580:in `pushpull'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_wall_exttrim.rbs:1580:in `draw_trim_geometry'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeekable to_rectangular_wall.rbs:2107:in `draw_selector'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:1907:in `main_menu'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5353:in `calculate_obj'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5372:in `update_state'
/users/mark/library/application support/sketchup 2018/sketchup/plugins/medeek_wall_ext/medeek_rectangular_wall.rbs:5398:in `onLButtonDown'

Question: Should I be able to leave the Edit Wall Menu open and select subsequent walls to update? If not - that would be welcome functionality. At the moment when I select the next wall the wall length does not update in the Edit Wall Menu, so I need to close Edit Wall, select the next wall, reopen Edit Wall, and then select Update. When doing this now the update is applied over the first wall drawn in the correct length, but not location.

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Is there a way to totally delete the plug-in, remove all traces, and then re-install and start new? Probably need to save my license file out somewhere I guess.

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I restarted Sketchup and tried again. When I start the wall plugin and select Advanced = yes, I now get the proper behavior, and I can edit it to make changes.
However - when I draw just a framed wall with Advanced = No, and then try to edit the wall and update it, still get the error, or, nothing appears to happen.

I have attached the entire edit wall menu with my selections.

I am on a MacBook if it makes any difference.

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